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The Conservative Philosophy

Posted by Al6200 - February 9th, 2009


I was talking to an old friend a few days ago, and he asked me why I identified as a conservative. I thought about it for a little bit, and realized that outside of Edmund Burke's old writings, there don't seem to be a lot of through and logical defenses of the conservative philosophy. To some extent conservatism is a reaction to liberalism, and not a philosophy in and of itself.

So I decided to piece together a logical argument for the conservative philosophy, starting with 5 fundamental axioms, and arguing that conservatism follows logically from the 5 fundamental axioms.

The Axioms

These five axioms are necessary and sufficient conditions for one to be a rational conservative. If one does not accept these axioms, then it is not rational for one to be a conservative. Likewise, if one accepts these axioms, then it is not rational for a person to not hold conservative views.

Axiom 1: Identity

Allowing every person in a society to create an identity for themselves has an intrinsic value. A person creates an identity for themselves by going through a process of using their own physical and mental effort to achieve their goals or proxies for their goals. The widely cited psychologist Erikson says that these are a person's major "life stage" goals (note that all of these goals are a reflection in one way or another of a person's survival, socialization, and reproduction so I think that we could definitely shorten Erikson's list):

1. Trust
2. Autonomy
3. Initiative
4. Industry
5. Identity
6. Intimacy
7. Generativity
8. Ego Integrity

For example, if I give you a button that dispenses water when you press it, you do not develop identity. But if I give you a math problem that you have to solve to get water every day, you will develop an identity by using your own skill and ingenuity to meet your basic needs. To generalize, a person who gets everything that they ever wanted without ever having to work would not develop any sort of identity, and would not be satisfied with themselves.

Axiom 2: Freedom

The freedom of all individuals has some intrinsic value. Freedom is the extent to which a person is free from psychological and physical coercion, that is the extent to which they act in their own rational self interest. Freedom and choice are "black boxes". A person's freedom can be measured by whether they act in their rational self interest or not based on what actions they actually take. The actual form of the coercion does not change the amount of freedom that they have.

To illustrate this, suppose that I have a mouse in my lab which, on my command, runs around in a circle for no reason at all. If I insert an electrode into its brain which forces it to run around in a circle, it is not acting with freedom. If I condition it from birth to run around in a circle, it is not acting with freedom. If I somehow convey to it the message that it will die if it does not run around in a circle, and then tell it to do so, it is not acting with freedom. In essence we are looking at freedom as a black box. A person is free or not free based upon the actions that they take, not based upon any specifics of how they are coerced.

Axiom 3: Dignity

The dignity of an individual has an intrinsic value. A person's dignity is the extent to which a non-sensitized person would intuitively react to their condition.

For example, if I showed you a mutilated dead person you would probably feel a great deal of unease and discomfort (assuming that you haven't been sensitized towards that sort of thing). In that sense mutilating a dead person is wrong because it takes away their dignity.

Axiom 4: Utilitarianism

What is utilitarian for a group of people is not necessarily what gives all of its members freedom, dignity, and identity.

A good example of this is eugenics. Traits which are very useful to society like intelligence are somewhat heritable, and it is easy to demonstrate that you could make society more intelligent quite quickly by controlling who breeds. Eugenics are utilitarian, because they make society much more productive. But eugenics does not create a society in which people have freedom, dignity, and identity. One loses the freedom to decide who they reproduce with, and how much. One loses the dignity of going through life in a natural way. One loses their identity because they do not have the ability to have their own effort result in their major life outcomes.

Axiom 5: Harmonics

In an ideal world all individuals have freedom, dignity, and identity - and that it is better for a society to have a relatively equal amount of all 3 of these properties, then more of one than another. For example, if I had the power to turn invisible, I would have a lot more freedom, but I would lose my dignity and identity (because a person with the ability to turn invisible will probably not go through their life stages in a healthy way). Also I would more likely than not use the power to take away the freedom and dignity of others.

Why classical liberalism (libertarianism in the US) is insufficient

Britannica defines classical liberalism as:

"A Political doctrine that takes the abuse of power, and thus the freedom of the individual, as the central problem of government"

To the libertarian the central problem for freedom is the lack of the rights, or absolute protections, from government force and coercion. The problem with this is that absolute rights do not exist, because between any two choices people will lose rights (for example if I am given the freedom to smoke, then I take away another person's freedom to have clean air).

But how do we know what action violates a person's rights, and what simply violates a person's interests? Typically we'd look at something along the lines of proximate cause. If I shoot you in the head, then I raise your chance of immediately dying to close to 100%. Most people would see this as taking away your right to life. But what if I create a product that raises your risk of cancer by 50%. Is that taking away your right to life? If I create a product that causes another product to be created that raises your chance of dying, am I taking away your right to life?

Natural liberties only exist if we can set limitations on what constitutes proximate cause. But as our ability to expand proximate cause increases (through science, statistics, and other means), the concept of natural rights will erode, because we'll know with more detail the effects of certain actions. If we knew everything, then we could determine the effect of all of your actions on other people's rights, and know that your best action would be to minimize the total amount of damage to other people's rights.

In effect, as we know more and more, a system of classical liberalism based on natural liberties become more and more identical to utilitarianism - which completely defeats the point.

Conservatism

Conservatism is the philosophy that continued technological progress is not a sufficient condition for creating a better society, and that we must retain conservative social structures that allow individual humans to live useful fulfilling lives.

People create technology for the purposes of acquiring money (private enterprise) or prestige (academia). Both money and prestige are allocated based on how much society is strengthened by the new technology, and by axiom 4 we know that freedom, dignity, and identity are not necessarily going to be strengthened by progress. By axioms 1-3 we've established that these things are important and should be a goal of policy, and by axiom 5 we know that they are all necessary.

So if you accept axioms 1-5 as being correct, then you should accept the conservative philosophy.

-Al.

(So what do you guys think?)

(Note: this was edited on February 16th to include a brief critique of libertarianism, largely to address the comments made by AKACCMIOF)


Comments

You have to be one of the first people I've ever met who really loves math.

I remember being the only person in my class creeped out by Euler's Formula. I've never heard it used as proof of God though, can you explain?

"You have to be one of the first people I've ever met who really loves math"

I'm not sure quite how it happened. I think it started when I learned ActionScript, and realized that math could actually be used to do real things.

I also really enjoyed differential equations and vector calculus. There are just a lot of neat things that you can do with mathematics that you wouldn't think possible. For example, you can represent the rotation of a moving object or collection of objects as the arrow (vector) perpendicular to the direction of the objects motion and the direction of the rate of change of the object's motion. It's nothing I would've came up with, but it's pretty neat when you think about it.

Also, differential equations are pretty cool, because you can study systems where velocity is related to acceleration and position and vice versa, like:

acceleration + velocity + position = f (in fact springs follow a similar equation)

The way I see it, it is calculus going full circle. And it is very interesting.

"I remember being the only person in my class creeped out by Euler's Formula"

I don't think that it's unusual to be creeped out by Euler's formula. In fact, in early modern Europe some scholars decided that imaginary numbers were witchcraft, and that the mathematicians who created them were possessed by demons.

The only math that has ever scared me was

"I've never heard it used as proof of God though, can you explain?"

Euler's formula is not really a "rigorous" proof of God. It's just that it's so bizarre and (to some people) beautiful that it suggests that our universe was designed by some higher power.

I mean, if you say that theta is equal to Pi, then:

e^(Pi * i) = -1

which is quite amazing when you think about it. If you put together the three strangest numbers in the world, you get a plain old negative one.

I didn't ever go into math fields, as my passion is for medicine, but I took the hardest math courses that I could find just because I truly love math.

I was never a physics person, though.

To be honest I've always had an interest in neuroscience, but it seems like everyone who actually studies neuroscience becomes a brain surgeon. And I can't become a brain surgeon because I really don't think that well on my feet, and I inherited a condition where my hands shake. It makes it really, really hard to solder circuits together. And since I usually end up frying some wire or IC or something, would you really want me fixing your brain?

And was that hardest math class differential equations? It seems like the hardest math class for non-math majors is Calculus III, the calculus of series and sums.

I'm not sure I agree that Axiom 1 isn't just a capitalist axiom. Most liberals don't just dish out everything you want, just make it more accessible providing you are willing to out perform others for the water. Sure it gives people some welfare backing, but i view that as 1) a way to level the playing field and 2) to break any mans fall from grace. The rest of the axioms all seem to be axioms for democracy. And whilst I agree that people advance technology for private enterprise and prestige, this is not conservative. It seems to me like you make an argument for democratic capitalism, slip in a clause that says conservatism thinks we need to maintain the current social structure and conclude that democracy+ the urge to compete= conservatism. Maybe spend a little more time showing the importance of maintaing the current social structure if you have to make an argument for conservatism, and showing what you believe to be the flaws in leveling the playing field.

"I'm not sure I agree that Axiom 1 isn't just a capitalist axiom. Most liberals don't just dish out everything you want, just make it more accessible providing you are willing to out perform others for the water. Sure it gives people some welfare backing, but i view that as 1) a way to level the playing field and 2) to break any mans fall from grace. "

Oh, I support a social support network, ideally through a negative income tax. But I don't see that as being exclusive with conservatism.

"The rest of the axioms all seem to be axioms for democracy. "

I don't think that a democratic system is sufficient for preserving freedom.

"And whilst I agree that people advance technology for private enterprise and prestige, this is not conservative. It seems to me like you make an argument for democratic capitalism, slip in a clause that says conservatism thinks we need to maintain the current social structure and conclude that democracy+ the urge to compete= conservatism."

I'd define conservatism as the philosophy that technological progress is not enough, and that it is not always good. I don't think conservatism is "Everything that the right-wing or Republicans stand for".

"Maybe spend a little more time showing the importance of maintaing the current social structure if you have to make an argument for conservatism, and showing what you believe to be the flaws in leveling the playing field."

Perhaps, eugenics was the only major example I used to show that technological progress is not a sufficient condition for creating a "good" society.

"To be honest I've always had an interest in neuroscience, but it seems like everyone who actually studies neuroscience becomes a brain surgeon..."
Oh man, the demand for neuroscience has shot unbelievably high in recent years. Scientists are now tackling the mysteries of the human brain in ways that were unimaginable just fifteen to thirty years ago. There are dozens of different fields of research, and one needs not be a neurosurgeon to dominate in most of them.

"And was that hardest math class differential equations? It seems like the hardest math class for non-math majors is Calculus III, the calculus of series and sums."
I actually majored in mathematics. Only about 50% of the accepted applicants to med school are biology majors, with the rest spread out over the other majors. Sure, lots of people thought biology would be helpful for med school, but it isn't. The core biology classes I took with my major were more than enough; a major in it (judging from what the curriculum is and from what I heard in med school) is simply overkill.

Truthfully, med school doesn't care what you majored in, because you'll learn everything you need when you're there. Due to this, what they really look for are students who are great students and prove themselves to be the best of the best.

"Oh man, the demand for neuroscience has shot unbelievably high in recent years. Scientists are now tackling the mysteries of the human brain in ways that were unimaginable just fifteen to thirty years ago. There are dozens of different fields of research, and one needs not be a neurosurgeon to dominate in most of them."

This is interesting. Do you use Matlab at all? I know that that has a neural network simulator that is really cool.

"I actually majored in mathematics. "

Wow. Yeah, I've thought about doing a double major with electrical engineering and mathematics, but it would be incredibly difficult. The thing is that right now I'm taking tensor calculus and linear algebra, and both of those topics are really quite interesting to me.

"Only about 50% of the accepted applicants to med school are biology majors, with the rest spread out over the other majors. Sure, lots of people thought biology would be helpful for med school, but it isn't. The core biology classes I took with my major were more than enough; a major in it (judging from what the curriculum is and from what I heard in med school) is simply overkill."

Yeah. I remember CellarDoor talking about how classics was a strong background for medical school.

"Truthfully, med school doesn't care what you majored in, because you'll learn everything you need when you're there. Due to this, what they really look for are students who are great students and prove themselves to be the best of the best."

I remember reading this a while ago, and I wondered why someone couldn't just go to a 5 year medical school program right out of high school, where the first year is just the core biology and chemistry that one would normally get from an undergraduate degree. It seems like that would be a lot cheaper and more efficient.

I thought I'd make myself clear: I'm not a libretarian. I thought you were. I'm actually the same economically as you. However, whilst I strongly agree that we need to hold conservative social structures in the economy, I actually am a utilitarian, but don't see it as enforcable until the constructs of utilitarianism (quantifying pleasure and pain etc.) are improved. I think the best word would be temporary inactivist, or something similar.